GSCentral.org database of codes...

[Rune]

Interesting you seem to place great value in knowing how popular a website is with users who have their browser infected with a notorious toolbar.

Are you trying to tell me that Kodewerx and BSHI/GH are even less popular than Lazy Bastard is leading everyone to believe? Okay.

I must ask, exactly how many people at GSC.org are hacking at all much less PS2?

A similar number of codes as BSHI/GH is currently putting out, but lately we've been especially busy, so probably much more.

[QUOTE=LiquidManZero;44210]You seem to be unaware of how exactly the codes wound up here. Somehow I wound up with a complete dump of the MySQL database and the PHP scripts driving GSC.org at the time. (blah, blah, excised due to self-absorption and e-penis speak)[/url]

Doesn't matter. We all know that the database was stolen through collaborative efforts and you continue to miscredit the code creators from around the world. I hope you are all guilty and ashamed for your poor actions and for lying to the rest of the scene.

Also, where exactly did these "hundreds of thousands" of new codes come from? Were they posted with permission? I realize this "opens" me to a circular argument, however...

I think a 100 monkeys made them in 1492 and traveled through dimensional warps before handling them over to GSCentral post-stolen DB but I could be wrong about that.

There very well have been requests by users to have their codes taken down. It may not seem as such thanks to these people often later requesting their material put back up.

What kind of psycho code creators do you guys have who ask for codes to go up and then be taken down? Mind-boggling really.

The policy regarding codes being up here is quite simple:
If codes are submitted and the person doing so is not unreasonably suspicious, they go up. If we have codes up by a user (either by way of former submission or due to the BSFree data) and they request removal, the codes are taken down except under the extremely rare event that multiple credits are on specific codes. Under that condition the rest are removed, the multiple credit entires are left as is, and this is explained to whoever made the removal request.

So you're essentially agreeing that you stole these codes and added them without asking anyone, especially GSCentral or any former users? Good job H20.

Also, I seem to notice Ugetab's codes are still up on GSC.org mostly with no and incorrect credits despite his repeated requests they be purged. Why exactly has this yet to happen? Have any users gotten codes removed after requesting?

We don't remove dead people's codes, especially people who have questionable backgrounds and controlling mothers. GSCentral is loved too much for people to make such requests.

[OldSchoolGamer]

I think that game codes should be available to everyone to enjoy and to help them. Credit should be given to the appropriate hacker when possible. If somebody doesn't want someone to use their codes that they created, they shouldn't post them on the internet where anyone can see them. I dont understand the whole stealing of a code database. In my opinion, there is no such thing. There are thousands of cheat codes and to give credit to the proper hacker for every single code would be near impossible. But credit should be given to the hackers you know made them. So basically what I am saying is... there is no such thing as stealing a code database but there is such thing as stealing a code (meaning intentionally not giving proper credit to the hacker that created the code). Now if there is a code where the creater is unknown. Then the code should not be deleted. It should still beable to be used by people to help them & enjoy it. And if the creator of the code comes foward and says that he is the one that created it, then proper credit to that hacker should be added next to that code. This discussion you guys are having should not be about website vs website because it has nothing to do with websites. Websites don't create or own cheat codes. Hackers (people) create cheat codes. It should be left up to the individual hacker and if that hacker thinks he personally was not given credit for a certain code, then he should contact that website and tell them to please give him credit. This is just my opinion about the matter. I don't know anything about what happened in the past. I only commented because by posting this discussion in an open forum, yous made it public for anyone to read/use....sorta like posting cheat codes

[Abystus]

I don't see the point in arguing over a few codes that went uncredited that are related to a dying hobby by today's standards. Hell it's not like the hacker actually owns the codes he hacks. If the hack is good enough it's hacker will be remembered (Ex: Jesus Mode SM64 hacked by Para, or just about every code hacked for Turok was hacked by Viper). Most of us know these things from being around a while (since GSC.com for me), so there is no sense in bickering like old men over codes for games that aren't even main stream anymore. If you both actually wanna keep code hacking around as a relatively attractive hobby you have to get along with each other or at least tolerate one another. I am neutral in this and always have been since the beginning. I could really care less which site does what as long as I don't have to see it mentioned over and over that a database got stolen or that this person abused their power and forced everyone else to leave a site or even that code credit wasn't properly given to a code for a game as old as the hobby itself. At the end of the day we all come here for some common reason and we should let that reason guide the future of our hobby before it dies completely.

[LiquidManZero]

Are you trying to tell me that Kodewerx and BSHI/GH are even less popular than Lazy Bastard is leading everyone to believe? Okay.

I wasn't aware this was a popularity contest, but if that's what you want to believe that's entirely up to you.

A similar number of codes as BSHI/GH is currently putting out, but lately we've been especially busy, so probably much more.

You wouldn't happen to know where I could get a spam program would you? I mean, I'd be kind of busy too if that were the case.

Doesn't matter. We all know that the database was stolen through collaborative efforts and you continue to miscredit the code creators from around the world.

OK then, give me proper credit info and I'll fix it.

I hope you are all guilty and ashamed for your poor actions and for lying to the rest of the scene.

You mean you don't know if anybody actually is guilty or ashamed of any actions? I seem to recall though that pretty much every part of the scene other than GSC.org agrees with GSC.org being in the wrong. But to find this out would require asking people in the scene.

I think a 100 monkeys made them in 1492 and traveled through dimensional warps before handling them over to GSCentral post-stolen DB but I could be wrong about that.

How many codes does your database currently hold?

What kind of psycho code creators do you guys have who ask for codes to go up and then be taken down? Mind-boggling really.

Not a clue to be honest. Their wishes were followed regardless.

So you're essentially agreeing that you stole these codes and added them without asking anyone, especially GSCentral or any former users? Good job H20.

Not quite. Whoever dumped your database pirated the codes. You still have a copy as far as I know. Not that it matters seeing as you seem to insist all codes here are stolen regardless of where they came from.

We don't remove dead people's codes, especially people who have questionable backgrounds and controlling mothers. GSCentral is loved too much for people to make such requests.

I see. GSC.org is Best Code Site? When was the last time your subjects said they love you?

[Lazy Bastard]

This is all nice and good but you have clearly forgotten that very few people are hacking the PS2, at least at the BSHI/GH or whatever symbol you guys call yourselves now.

People all around the scene are using the results of Project Artemis (ps2rd, PS2CC, etc) to hack PS2 codes. You don't seem to understand the value of helping the scene as a whole to prosper, and not just a single site. It's the same reason we host KodeWerx, and the other sites and archives we host, and the same reason we do most of what we do.

I have never received any requests from Viper of that sort.

Yes, you did. It's still on your forums (surprising, since you usually delete any trace of someone disagreeing with you...perhaps you thought you 'won' this argument):
http://board.gscentral.org/showthrea...IED.-Remove-it.

We don't remove dead people's codes, especially people who have questionable backgrounds and controlling mothers. GSCentral is loved too much for people to make such requests.

The guy was autistic. His mother wasn't controlling; she was protective, yet she never even got involved in the scene until after he died, and you actually made fun of his death. Not his car breaking down, or his laptop not working...his actual death. ugetab was a genius, and one of the scene's greatest members. Everyone loved him, and everyone was impressed by his skill, except for you and nensondubois, both of whom are useless and unintelligent. You can play games all you like, but in the end, you and I, and everyone else who was there at the time, know that it all started when you began taking codes ugetab (and many other hackers) posted at GSHI, and putting them up on GSC without credit to the hacker. He called you on it, you were embarrassed, and tried to turn it around, stating that he in fact was stealing codes, both from GSC and the GGCCC. Timestamps were shown to prove you a liar, and you ignored them, spamming the discussion and dodging questions incessantly. Your staff and fellow GSC members backed you initially, we all got into a big flame war, and your own colleagues began to notice that you were consistently proven wrong, and that you were in fact the guilty party. People began crossing the floor to GSHI or stepping out of the discussion altogether, you became the only one still arguing against GSHI, and the foundations of GSC began to shake. That was the first step in the creation of Kodewerx, and the exodus of all skilled hackers and members of GSC to either Kodewerx or GSHI (or both), the second being the whole forum lock-out/power removal fiasco that pissed off Parasyte and Viper187 for the last time. The history of it is really rather simple.

OldSchoolGamer: I wholeheartedly agree. Codes should be for the enjoyment of the world, hackers should always be credited where possible, and otherwise, the code should remain until proper credit can be established. We have, however, always respected the wishes of hackers, even removing codes from our database upon request by the hacker. For example, several years ago, a hacker named Josiah (who actually made some pretty cool codes) was irritated that his codes were not added to the database a few days after he posted them on the forums. He requested all his codes be removed, and we removed them. We also took down Rune's codes - one of our former staff requested my permission to add Rune's codes (with proper credit) to our DB to antagonize him in response to his having put up several hackers' codes against their wishes. I allowed it, Rune got angry and publicly complained about it, which was entertaining and illustrated our point at the time, then he requested they be taken down, and to illustrate an even stronger point, we removed them.

abystus: I agree. However, code credit is quite important, as many hackers wouldn't hack at all if not for the recognition and appreciation of the scene. I also agree that we need to work together, and create the best possible environment for hackers and code users alike (we've been working toward this goal for some time). However, GSC and GameHacking.org will not be able to coexist peacefully until Rune is no longer at GSC's helm. He will never be forgiven for slinging lies and laughing at the death of a good friend of ours and the entire scene's. Until that point, there was always the chance that we could all agree to disagree, yet work together toward a common goal...but he has created a rift that can only be sealed by his removal.

[Rune]

People all around the scene are using the results of Project Artemis (ps2rd, PS2CC, etc) to hack PS2 codes. You don't seem to understand the value of helping the scene as a whole to prosper, and not just a single site. It's the same reason we host KodeWerx, and the other sites and archives we host, and the same reason we do most of what we do.

You mean 5 people in the scene was using those programs? Great! That's definitely an improvement over none no doubt. However, I think you should naming names because I highly doubt the "whole scene" is using PS2 tools.

[QUOTE=Lazy Bastard;44227]Yes, you did. It's still on your forums (surprising, since you usually delete any trace of someone disagreeing with you...perhaps you thought you 'won' this argument):
http://board.gscentral.org/showthrea...IED.-Remove-it.

We aren't hosting it. If you would read that entire thread, there are actually more people supporting GSCentral in that situation than anyone else. Also, I did not see anything about disrespecting hackers themselves or their programs in that thread at all. Proper code credit has always been given, which is not the case anywhere else.

(blah blah blah) You can play games all you like, but in the end, you and I, and everyone else who was there at the time, know that it all started when you began taking codes ugetab (and many other hackers) posted at GSHI, and putting them up on GSC without credit to the hacker. He called you on it, you were embarrassed, and tried to turn it around, stating that he in fact was stealing codes, both from GSC and the GGCCC.

Again, more of your twisted lies. BSHI started to take codes from GSCentral and your heavily adored Parasyte, Modman, Dlong, etc. complained about it. Are you saying he was horribly mistaken? A number of people in the scene complained and similar to how your website operates now, those complaints were ignored. The wishes of the code creators of codes who were having codes stolen were rudely ignored and it was actually BSHI who chose to hurt the scene and the code creators' efforts. We figured if you wanted to take codes from us and steal credit, we would do the honourable thing and make sure people get the credit they deserve at a website with integrity and credibility.

Timestamps were shown to prove you a liar, and you ignored them, spamming the discussion and dodging questions incessantly. Your staff and fellow GSC members backed you initially, we all got into a big flame war, and your own colleagues began to notice that you were consistently proven wrong, and that you were in fact the guilty party. People began crossing the floor to GSHI or stepping out of the discussion altogether, you became the only one still arguing against GSHI,

Timestamps can be easily modified and there was never any genuine proof about his hacking codes. Nensondubois was right, ugetab was stealing his code efforts and it's a good thing the bastard died for that. Amen.

That was the first step in the creation of Kodewerx, and the exodus of all skilled hackers and members of GSC to either Kodewerx or GSHI (or both), the second being the whole forum lock-out/power removal fiasco that pissed off Parasyte and Viper187 for the last time. The history of it is really rather simple.

Except you seem to lie about the origins of reality and have no guilt about it.

OldSchoolGamer: I wholeheartedly agree. Codes should be for the enjoyment of the world, hackers should always be credited where possible, and otherwise, the code should remain until proper credit can be established. We have, however, always respected the wishes of hackers, even removing codes from our database upon request by the hacker.

Then remove the GSCentral database and answer to the hundreds/thousands of code creators who would not wish your site to host their efforts.

(blah blah) We also took down Rune's codes - one of our former staff requested my permission to add Rune's codes (with proper credit) to our DB to antagonize him in response to his having put up several hackers' codes against their wishes. I allowed it, Rune got angry and publicly complained about it, which was entertaining and illustrated our point at the time, then he requested they be taken down, and to illustrate an even stronger point, we removed them.

They are still up without proper credit. Hypocrite.

abystus: I agree. However, code credit is quite important, as many hackers wouldn't hack at all if not for the recognition and appreciation of the scene. I also agree that we need to work together, and create the best possible environment for hackers and code users alike (we've been working toward this goal for some time).

Except you consistently fail to give proper credit beyond the guise of caring for any of the hackers here. Anyone who is capable of lying as much as I've seen done here should not be put into power under any conditions.

However, GSC and GameHacking.org will not be able to coexist peacefully until Rune is no longer at GSC's helm.

I'm going to be adding new codes to GSCentral until I'm in a coffin so don't hold your breath. So will everyone else who respects integrity, decency and respect, all three concepts which your website promotes yet never understands what it truly means.

He will never be forgiven for slinging lies and laughing at the death of a good friend of ours and the entire scene's.

If lies = truth then sure, I love to talk a lot of truth even if your younger members don't seem to understand all the fuss.

Until that point, there was always the chance that we could all agree to disagree, yet work together toward a common goal...but he has created a rift that can only be sealed by his removal.

I did try to agree to disagree earlier in this thread but you wished to continue the lies and "discussion/debate". It does not look like you are man enough to cease replying, are you?

[Lazy Bastard]

*sigh*

Your entire response consists of lies and incorrect information. Rather than simply repeat myself, quote you and respond with a note that your statement is intentionally false, I will simply sit this one out, as you seem to be requesting. I only stepped back in to the discussion to correct your statements concerning Parasyte and Viper187.

Also, I'm moving this thread into The Lounge.

[macrox]

I simply cannot believe this garbage and verbal rubbish is STILL going on...get a life.

nuff said...

[dlong]

It's disappointing to see that some people never change.

I do not want to fall into the trap of endlessly responding to Rune, who has never and will never admit when he is in error, but I do feel it necessary to make two points:

BSHI started to take codes from GSCentral and your heavily adored Parasyte, Modman, Dlong, etc. complained about it.

Do not confuse me looking for a forum to troll with me agreeing with you. As a side note, GSHI was just about impossible to troll, due to their annoying insistence on being reasonable with people who have no interest in being reasonable. The fact that LB is still talking to Rune makes it clear that this still persists, years later.

I'm going to be adding new codes to GSCentral until I'm in a coffin so don't hold your breath.

I believe this and this worries me. I still visit GSCentral occasionally, and every time I visit, it is less active than the previous time I visited. I think you use GSCentral as a substitute for a lack of friends, power, and accomplishments in real life. GSCentral is dying and fear for what will happen to you when you are the only remaining active member. I strongly urge you to seek counseling.



I did not receive any e-mails asking me if GSHI has my permission to post my codes. Nonetheless, you have that permission, if they aren't already up. I have no more interest in the scene. I enjoyed my time here and what I learned, but I face far more interesting intellectual challenges now than what game hacking can provide me.

[Lazy Bastard]

I always prefer to err on the side of being too reasonable, when it comes to the hacking scene. So yes, you are correct.

If you weren't sent an email, then I probably asked you directly at some point. If not, then I sincerely apologize. It would have been an exception to the rule, not the norm.

[Rune]

It's disappointing to see that some people never change.

And are just as arrogant and ignorant six years later as they were when they were given the heave-ho from GSCentral.org.

I do not want to fall into the trap of endlessly responding to Rune, who has never and will never admit when he is in error, but I do feel it necessary to make two points:

In error for what? For temporarily removing a self-destructive staff who went on to even lesser and lesser things? If you were truly as busy as you seem to indicate below, I doubt you would be visiting GSCentral.org frequently to see how awesome the website is doing these days.

Do not confuse me looking for a forum to troll with me agreeing with you.

Heaven forbid if I did! I had you confused as a bitter person with a chip on your shoulder trying to regain some of his pride after being kicked out of the best code site on the planet.. for no remorse for your trolling ways on GSCentral and GSHI, amongst other websites, no less.

As a side note, GSHI was just about impossible to troll, due to their annoying insistence on being reasonable with people who have no interest in being reasonable.

Well, at least you gave it a shot a few years ago before coming here, right? It's the thought that truly counts afterall. I still remember hearing about the organized spam attack you made against GSHI the day after it happened and thinking how dumb and low your guys stooped to do that. It never had anything to do with me or the rest of the staff, who happen to know a thing about integrity and respectability. All of that idling in IRC day in and day out must have rotted your brain over the years.

[QUOTE=dlong;45384]The fact that LB is still talking to Rune makes it clear that this still persists, years later.

Well, he doesn't update the website himself -- he enslaves a few "Chroniclers" and they do all of his dirty work for him.

I believe this and this worries me.

Ha. Just because you believe in a falsehood it does not suddenly make it a reality.

I still visit GSCentral occasionally, and every time I visit, it is less active than the previous time I visited.

Then take a gander at these statistics:
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/gsh...+kodewerx.org/

Doesn't look like the graph is going downwards, is it? You cannot live solely off of opinion, Dlong. People want facts and not just random trolling. GSCentral is alive and stronger than ever before. Have no fear, we are here to stay.

I think you use GSCentral as a substitute for a lack of friends, power, and accomplishments in real life.

Thanks Freud but you're well over your fifteen minutes of fame already. That was with GSCentral.com. It's 2011 now. LOL.

GSCentral is dying and fear for what will happen to you when you are the only remaining active member. I strongly urge you to seek counseling.

From what I heard, it was actually you who sought counseling. Hence why you disappeared multiple times from GSCentral.com / Kodewerx. My mental state is amazing, GSCentral.org has doing fine, and the girlfriend is really happy. My friends want to know when I can swing by today. 'Heard nothing but good things about X-Men: First Class too!

I have no more interest in the scene. I enjoyed my time here and what I learned, but I face far more interesting intellectual challenges now than what game hacking can provide me.

So how are the advanced trolling classes going for you?

[Lazy Bastard]

Hmm...a coherent Rune. Interesting.

The Chroniclers update the DB because they want to, and because it benefits the scene as a whole. It also makes it easier for you to copy them to GSCentral.org.

My mental state is amazing

You mocked and spoke righteously when ugetab died (in real life), because you accused him of stealing codes (which, in itself, is an insane accusation). Your mental state is definitely not amazing, unless you mean that it amazes people, which it does. By the way, you have yet to make the apology the community deserves for that behavior.

[Rune]

Hmm...a coherent Rune. Interesting.

The Chroniclers update the DB because they want to, and because it benefits the scene as a whole. It also makes it easier for you to copy them to GSCentral.org.

The reality is you are giving the Chroniclers the wonderful 'opportunity' to take stolen codes from the outdated BSFree (aka GSCentral.com/GSCentral.org) database and put them into the tiny number of codes that your staff has hacked themselves. What a sweet deal for you but kind of a crap job for them -- I mean, what's the point of updating a website if the source site (gscentral.org) has 100 000's of codes that you will never obtain?

You mocked and spoke righteously when ugetab died (in real life), because you accused him of stealing codes .

What goes around comes around. Ugetab stole codes from myself that had been hacked for years and had no remorse about it. He collaborated with nensondubois on some codes with agreed upon co-credit and then did not credit nensondubois for his share of the collaboration. Then he got what he deserved.

Your mental state is definitely not amazing, unless you mean that it amazes people, which it does. By the way, you have yet to make the apology the community deserves for that behavior.

What is amazing is how many lies you manage to spew forth and this community actually believes it all. It is shocking. It is appalling how you have claimed to give proper code credit to individuals yet numerous hackers in the scene who I have spoken to claim that no such e-mails were ever sent. Hells Guardian, nensondubois, myself... the list would go longer if the thousands of code creators in the GSCentral database had actually been consulted for their code creations.

The only apology that needs to be made in the game enhancer scene is your endless greed to host more and more websites. GSCentral.org has a set of principles that your site will never understand or hope to obtain. I also stand firmly behind my staff and their word. I will never apologize for ugetab's deviant behaviour and code stealing. Shame on you. Go check into rehab for your corruption and dirty lies yourself. A bar of soap would do you some good.

[Lazy Bastard]

The reality is you are giving the Chroniclers the wonderful 'opportunity' to take stolen codes from the outdated BSFree (aka GSCentral.com/GSCentral.org) database and put them into the tiny number of codes that your staff has hacked themselves. What a sweet deal for you but kind of a crap job for them -- I mean, what's the point of updating a website if the source site (gscentral.org) has 100 000's of codes that you will never obtain?

Wait, how are they stolen? They were provided by former GSC staff, for the enjoyment of the whole scene. They're no more stolen than every code you leech from here, and add to GSCentral.org (let's reiterate that distinction here: GSCentral.org is not the real GSCentral, but a bad clone). We don't troll your site looking for codes to glean, so you're correct that there are codes at GSCentral.org that will never end up here. But 100 000's isn't a word.

What goes around comes around. Ugetab stole codes from myself that had been hacked for years and had no remorse about it. He collaborated with nensondubois on some codes with agreed upon co-credit and then did not credit nensondubois for his share of the collaboration. Then he got what he deserved.

So...ugetab, one of the greatest hackers in the scene, a genius, stole very simple codes that anyone could have hacked, from you and nensondubois, two completely mediocre hackers? What's more, he collaborated with nensondubois, someone with no imagination or skill? What exactly did they "collaborate" on? What function did nensondubois perform, that ugetab couldn't perform in a breath? Please point out the codes that ugetab "stole" full credit for, and explain which part of them nensondubois "collaborated" on.

What is amazing is how many lies you manage to spew forth and this community actually believes it all. It is shocking. It is appalling how you have claimed to give proper code credit to individuals yet numerous hackers in the scene who I have spoken to claim that no such e-mails were ever sent. Hells Guardian, nensondubois, myself... the list would go longer if the thousands of code creators in the GSCentral database had actually been consulted for their code creations.

You're seriously referencing Hells Guardian and nensondubois? We did send out emails, to everyone we had email addresses for, and even hunted down a good deal of people around the net, to confirm permission to add their codes to the database. If a few hackers out of thousands did not receive communication to this end, that is unfortunate, but acceptable. Let us keep in mind that you never ask permission to add codes to your database, and merely suck them up without a word. If we had sent only one email, we would be superior to you in this regard. Also, in this exciting paragraph, you started out by saying there were numerous hackers not contacted, then named three, then said the list would be longer if all the hackers were contacted. That doesn't make sense.

The only apology that needs to be made in the game enhancer scene is your endless greed to host more and more websites.

So...how exactly is providing free hosting for hacking sites, with no advertisements or site modifications of any kind, and no strings attached, greedy? Everyone who's hosted by us is quite happy with it. We're promoting the scene as a whole, something you would not understand. Sometimes, people do things simply because they're the right thing to do.

GSCentral.org has a set of principles that your site will never understand or hope to obtain.

Absolutely correct. We do not understand your set of principles, and we definitely do not hope to obtain them.

I also stand firmly behind my staff and their word.

What staff? And...what word? Seriously, I don't follow.

I will never apologize for ugetab's deviant behaviour and code stealing. Shame on you. Go check into rehab for your corruption and dirty lies yourself. A bar of soap would do you some good.

Ah, there's the Rune I remember. Nonsense and question-dodging. Welcome back.

[Rune]

Wait, how are they stolen? They were provided by former GSC staff, for the enjoyment of the whole scene.

That database was lifted straight from the servers by a hacker. The "staff" you mentioned who had stolen it were no longer associated with GSCentral at the time and were therefore not legally entitled to be giving out the database to anyone. The codes were provided on the server for the entire scene to browse.

They're no more stolen than every code you leech from here, and add to GSCentral.org (let's reiterate that distinction here: GSCentral.org is not the real GSCentral, but a bad clone).

Not true. The GSCentral.org database has unaltered and proper code credit. If you love game hacking, you will support GSCentral and the original code creators who are credited at GSCentral.org. Jim Reinhart founded GSCentral and the torch was passed to me since Day 1. GSCentral.org is the only GSCentral.

We don't troll your site looking for codes to glean, so you're correct that there are codes at GSCentral.org that will never end up here. But 100 000's isn't a word.

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100 000's is a bunch of numbers last I checked. Your point being?

So...ugetab, one of the greatest hackers in the scene, a genius, stole very simple codes that anyone could have hacked, from you and nensondubois, two completely mediocre hackers?

If he's such a genius then why did he steal code credit from others? A pattern is starting to develop here, no?

What's more, he collaborated with nensondubois, someone with no imagination or skill? What exactly did they "collaborate" on? What function did nensondubois perform, that ugetab couldn't perform in a breath? Please point out the codes that ugetab "stole" full credit for, and explain which part of them nensondubois "collaborated" on.

You will have to talk to the dead and therefore Ugetab to get those answers. Your second best bet would be to discuss it with nensondubois himself.

You're seriously referencing Hells Guardian and nensondubois? We did send out emails, to everyone we had email addresses for, and even hunted down a good deal of people around the net, to confirm permission to add their codes to the database. If a few hackers out of thousands did not receive communication to this end, that is unfortunate, but acceptable.

A few hackers? Do you realize how implausible what you are suggesting is? There is no possible way that you tracked down quite literally thousands of code hackers for their permission. It's simply not possible with your small staff. Do you realize how absurd that idea sounds at the moment?

Let us keep in mind that you never ask permission to add codes to your database, and merely suck them up without a word. If we had sent only one email, we would be superior to you in this regard.

You sound like 5 years old here. Superior? LOL. The database that GSCentral.org has today is unaltered and the only way you could possibly credit everyone truthfully would to ditch your current database and link to ours. lol.

Also, in this exciting paragraph, you started out by saying there were numerous hackers not contacted, then named three, then said the list would be longer if all the hackers were contacted. That doesn't make sense.

Yes. There is no physical way that you e-mailed the thousands of authors for their permission. I merely mentioned those few because they are still active members of the community from the GSCentral.com/early GSCentral.org period. It is such a blatant and glaring lie to claim that you received permission from code creators to use their work!

[QUOTE=Lazy Bastard;45423]So...how exactly is providing free hosting for hacking sites, with no advertisements or site modifications of any kind, and no strings attached, greedy? Everyone who's hosted by us is quite happy with it. We're promoting the scene as a whole, something you would not understand. Sometimes, people do things simply because they're the right thing to do.

So hacking into another website is the right thing to do? Adding re-hacked codes from a decade ago is the right thing to do? Lying to the community as you like to do... is that what you call the 'right thing to do'? I think you need to take an ethics class.

Absolutely correct. We do not understand your set of principles, and we definitely do not hope to obtain them.

Maybe you will last longer if you did?

Ah, there's the Rune I remember. Nonsense and question-dodging. Welcome back.

Welcome to psychology 101 -> "Looking glass self" -- what you see in others is most often what is inside yourself. See you in 2018.