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  • 'watnet' is 80% always down, maybe time for a 'mirror site'?

    :x :shock: :? :roll: err well, not sure if the place being down 80% of the time is why or why not alot of people are no longer showing up, but it is a fact I found that maybe should be issued abit.

    'watnet' seems to fail to 'connect' alot these days, out of ten times I try to connect here to the site, I get in at about 2 times every ten times I try, that is like getting on at 20% and the site being down 80% of the time. Again, it is the'whole' lot of watnet, sence when the place is 'down' I try for anything watnet and that is also down nearly all the time.

    My personal opinion, is well, 'watnet' is a pretty shitty server anyway, freedom of speach now, and anyway... yeah we are here free, but being here free is not all that great when everything is nearly always 'down', plus, there are no watnet admins, really...well alot of people have the 'admin spot' there, but those who do have that spot are never, never around, fell off the face of the earth, I am simply myself shocked to see how the server last so long when neither the owner nor admins ever bother to fiox all the mess wrong with it, is the owner and admins even 'alive' anymore really I have to wonder alot.

    I know LMZ is an admin, of the site and all else around here, and he works and does alot, has to, seems he and Lazy have alot on them and are the only one's around anymore, but still LMZ and Lazy are not watnet owner's nor can really help nor make those servers work, and work out all the 'bugs' in them. Ron is around...err well once a year it seems ever so often, but otherwise (another issue tie in) do you think Czar and TruWizdom rememebrs the link here? Just wondering (abit off topic) because they are 'active' at GSCCC, but no longer here, but maybe that can and also may be just life...but anyway back on topic.

    Maybe time to wonder and see and maybe search for mirror sites? (like a back up site) I know 'space' is always an issue, but when we are here wishing to and expecting to someday soon become an true business, it would never be good to be on such faulty servers that are always down 80% of the time.

    I am sorry this sounds bad, but well yes really it sorta is, I must speak my own mind, not being all perosnal nor anything, but yes I do getr ather 'pissed' to come here and find as I said alot of times (8 out of 10) 'page cannot be displayed' and it is not a cookie thing, I fixxed all that, I tried here, and on sevreal other PCs in my house, the place is always 'down' 80% of the time. Thus maybe 'mirror time' maybe? I know that is not 'easy' but I have seen and know of alot of sites out there with site mirrors so that one at least is always active.

    And no it is nothing personal towards anyone who is a member or really 'active' here as is, we all try to make the place as best it can be, but in my own personal opinion, I believe watnet servers and service to be shitty. (Again nothing personal towards anyone, I know LMZ, and others try as hard as they can) but when the server owner's and 'bbigger' admins do not clean and keep servers up and running, the problems go beyone the 'boss men' it goes to the owner men, which knida is useless when none of the 'owner types' are never there nor around at all. :roll:

    ~Amy

  • #2
    'watnet' is 80% always down, maybe time for a 'mirror site'?

    I think having a mirror of the site is a good idea. I haven't had quite that kind of problems connecting to the site, but that may be because I never use thegshi.org... I'm a bit pissed off at the server, as it's behaving pretty bad with the php script that will probably replace the site's mess of html... If the piece of shit will cooperate long enough for me to finish it...

    About the only way to get a mirror that isn't useless, is to pay for hosting. Which I'd guess means it might not happen too soon... If at all in fact... Somehow, and I'm not sure how accurate this is, I'm probably who'll be dealing with it, by default... Which, is why I think it'll probably be a few months, and when it happens... There's a pretty good chance that the current host will be a mirror, if it's still around...

    Notice I said 'when' and not 'if'. That might be wrong, though I suspect it's inevitable, to a certain degree... For one thing, I don't entirely like this server, and I don't like that the domain is just a frame around that actual host... Actually, I don't like frames much at all...

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    • #3
      'watnet' is 80% always down, maybe time for a 'mirror site'?

      I for one have not had any problems connecting to the site via thegshi.org, or gshi.watnet.blacklotus.net....not the irc server either.


      as for backups, i've noticed ppl still using the backup board in may, i think...i put it in "maintenance mode" and made a note about where it now is. also, i noticed that you cannot use any direct hyperlinks via thegshi.org. what i mean is, you can't go http://thegshi.org/downloads/someprogram.zip and stuff like that. I wonder why that is, would be interesting to find out. Though i think i know the answer, as i just this minute check it out. it's because thegshi.org is a top level frames container, which only contains one frame, and that is gshi.watnet.blacklotus.net. using a direct link is like trying to browse for the requested file on the frame container's server...if that makes any sense. it's a little bit of a hassle, but no biggy.

      I gotta be going now, since i have some stuff to do.

      see you all later...and amy, please get back to me asap
      <center><img src="http://gshi.watnet.blacklotus.net/images/seph/sephsig.php"></center>

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      • #4
        'watnet' is 80% always down, maybe time for a 'mirror site'?

        oh...as for me never being around. well, i got my parents on my back to find work, and not to chat and stuff, so i'm rarely on irc anymore. i'm always on msn messenger though, always check my email, and drop by this board almost daily
        <center><img src="http://gshi.watnet.blacklotus.net/images/seph/sephsig.php"></center>

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        • #5
          'watnet' is 80% always down, maybe time for a 'mirror site'?

          That's odd... It used to work to directly link to files using the domain... Though, what it used to do is tack on whatever was after .org/ onto the first page it loads into the frame, so you could go around the entire site with it saying you were somewhere you're not...

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          • #6
            'watnet' is 80% always down, maybe time for a 'mirror site'?

            Hmm... Seems it only does that on certain file types, such as zip and swf... Which is odd, because it doesn't care at all about images...

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            • #7
              'watnet' is 80% always down, maybe time for a 'mirror site'?

              So is watnet free or something?

              And did you pay for the domain as well?

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              • #8
                'watnet' is 80% always down, maybe time for a 'mirror site'?

                Watnet isn't exactly free. watever, the owner of watnet, pays for the space, as part of the same account watnet.org is hosted on. He also bought the domain, after thegshi.net expired... It's entirely possible he'd be willing to give you some space, though I think it may be rather unlikely. At least one of the people he let have space hacked the server, which of course isn't a good thing.

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                • #9
                  'watnet' is 80% always down, maybe time for a 'mirror site'?

                  the hacking is not related to having webspace. it's related to having access to the unix server the irc net is hosted on. there are like 2 or 3 ppl with some watnet webspace, like amy. i still wish i could get some kinda start on her project. so yes, you could drop by the watnet server and float your idea by tim (aka watever), and if he likes it, he'll probably give you webspace
                  <center><img src="http://gshi.watnet.blacklotus.net/images/seph/sephsig.php"></center>

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                  • #10
                    'watnet' is 80% always down, maybe time for a 'mirror site'?

                    Oh I don't need space, I have my own site.

                    If you guys would want something cheap I'd point you to www.netfirms.com

                    [Edit] - Though I guess you'd already know that right? since you had a yabb board on a netfirms account for the back-up boards..

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                    • #11
                      'watnet' is 80% always down, maybe time for a 'mirror site'?

                      Ugh, netfirms... Well, there's worse things...

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                      • #12
                        'watnet' is 80% always down, maybe time for a 'mirror site'?

                        Originally posted by SephiRon
                        the hacking is not related to having webspace. it's related to having access to the unix server the irc net is hosted on. there are like 2 or 3 ppl with some watnet webspace, like amy. i still wish i could get some kinda start on her project. so yes, you could drop by the watnet server and float your idea by tim (aka watever), and if he likes it, he'll probably give you webspace
                        Well, yes I have 'space' there, I believe I do, place and names have jumped abit, but that has and was abit long ago, o now everything should still be worked out and stable, if my space is still there, and Ron says it is, so I guess so (be it, I do not know 'how' to get into it anylonger really)

                        Other then that...err well, yes I really need to jump on that sometime, I guess I need to learn how to do it myself, if I can, though it is going to be a pain, I think sorta, I want that gallery html or whatever that was you used 'awhile' back Ron, please... and not sure how to get into, edit nor do much of anything with a 'FTP only' upload site...as I really need to 'see' as I edit, like all the other 'web space' places around, yes offers FTP uploads, but when editing the pages and such, it allows you to 'see' as you edit, which... just something I grew up with. (I have no diea how Lazy and LMZ edits the site here without beign able to see as they edit.

                        I mean like this, as I see it, with FTP...you edit an html (or psp, or whateverelse type of 'page' you use, then you upload to 'see' if it looks right, well takes time to upload things with FTP... (dial up, and other mess) and well, I tend to use 'ALOT' of colors I like, and grapic effects and fonts and sizes and gif moving images and swf files and such, I am just a girl who rather enjoys 'flashy' webpages...heh yes it eats up your space when you see it, but I still like it even though that being a whole other issue yes I know all those moving flashy pages. Thus I have to 'see' what I am doing and 'wehn' so I do not off center, put letters/text over a coloruful background where you cannot read the letters and those type of issues...

                        Anyway other then all that, I could very well start myself again as I said, if I had a few...well heck maybe 'alot' fo things, #1 being a way to 'see as I edit and create', #2 to know that 'image gallery html or whatever it was you used Ron, #3 I have that Photo shop, but wish and need a swf converter (still), I wish to know 'with photo shop' how to paste watermarks. #4 I yet again after being PC blowed for about 3 times need a FTP client, I guess as always that cutepet is and would be best? Not sure though really. #5 (soryr thinking as I go, but this one is one of the MOST importants, I need a way to make html or such and mess like that you upload 'secured', like one of those sites you have to have a password, or it 'errors' on every html (or whatever page) you are on other then index. like that trick that is 'well' known retype 'index.html to home or main.html and you get in, not to sound 'mean' or anything, just well, 'some' know, I am not too fond of being easily web stolen from, so secured is a must, and it has to be known somehow somewhere, because all types of sites have it, even sites we download programs from.

                        ummm anyway, I have now about lost my train of thought, heh well really, will get back more to this, if and when mroe comes to mind, right now, I am more so thinking (yes honestly) "Liberty's Kids are comming on soon, I have to record it." and then...err other things start comming to mind, but maybe I should use a whole other topic and such to talk about strange and funny things and likes I have in this world. :shock: :P

                        ~Amy

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                        • #13
                          'watnet' is 80% always down, maybe time for a 'mirror site'?

                          Heh...actually, lack of a convenient way to update is pretty much the only reason we have about thirty things ready to be added (I know I alone have at least ten on my HD, not including those under the To Be Added forum), and haven't added them yet...if we had a better system of updating, things'd be a bit more active around here. As it stands, whenever I come by, it just pisses me off that updating would kill my entire day...so I usually just ignore it. Free time is a bit like gold to me these days. Apparently Liquid's working on something, and I might be mistaken, but I believe Munk's working on it as well...
                          I may be lazy, but I can...zzzZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZ...

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                          • #14
                            'watnet' is 80% always down, maybe time for a 'mirror site'?

                            Gah... I think I've still got some stuff on backlog to update that's from around march 2003... At least... I haven't done much of any updates, because of the thing I've been working on... It'll be working, mostly (due to server problems, it might be awhile, if ever, before it works completely right...)... Before september 2nd at the latest... or so I say...It'd be faster, and much better if I wasn't stuck coding it on this server... Which, I can't do a damn thing about...

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