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  • PSX-Scene now thinks they own everything

    This is fairly nasty, described well below.

    Originally posted by Squarepusher
    Clarification on psx-scene
    Update (Halsafar): Original post http://pastebin.com/gc0036Qg

    While I don’t wish for this site to start devolving into scene drama, I felt a post was necessary on why it is that I’ve recently decided to part ways with psx-scene and what led me to taking the drastic decision I felt was necessary in order to make a statement. This affects all other homebrew developers in the grand scheme of things – and I acted accordingly as the situation demanded it.

    New TOS waiving your rights

    After the acquisition by QJ.Net, they quietly injected into the already existing Terms of Services a new law that expressly authorizes PSX-scene to effectively assume ownership of any and all material you make available to the public on their community site. I will let this quote do the talking so that there can be no debate about this -

    Psx-scene Terms of Service

    “User Provided Content, License. You are solely responsible for all content or materials that you post, submit to, or transmit through the Service. By submitting materials or content to PSX-SCENE.COM, you grant PSX-SCENE.COM a license to copy, use, display and create derivative works of the material or content submitted for any purpose, including, without limitation, the promotion and marketing of the Service and the operation of the PSX-SCENE.COM system. By submitting materials or content, you automatically agree (or, to the extent you do not own all rights to such materials or content, you represent and warrant that the owner of the content or materials has expressly agreed) that without any particular time limit, and without the payment of any fees, PSX-SCENE.COM and anyone it permits may reproduce, display, distribute and create new works of authorship based on and including the content or materials. You may not submit content or materials trademarked or copyrighted by anyone other than yourself.”
    Now, obviously, this is disingenuous on its face. Stepping aside for a moment the fact that they can not simply waive your rights like this – the fact remains that there are licences to obey when you as a porter decide to port an emulator to another system. Those licences are very clear on ownership rights and your ability or permission to be able to buy or resell them. For psx-scene to put themselves into the enviable position where they believe they can ‘reproduce, display, distribute and create new works of authorship’ speaks to the audacity and clear disrespect of these new site owners who happen to view developers as a bunch of schmucks to be hoodwinked and cajoled into servitude.

    ‘Successful business != Conning people into waiving their rights’

    As a response to that, I took down all emulator threads on their forum that I have personally worked on ( seeing as the previous owner on there granted me Moderator status with no strings attached). Also, I complied with the wishes of many former members who wanted all their content to be removed because they have similar misgrievances about this new ‘clause’ they added to their terms and they don’t like this site profiteering or benefiting in any way from it. Now, obviously, that resulted in my ban – it couldn’t have gone any other way – you know once you throw down the gauntlet like this, what the consequences of that are going to be. I personally requested for them to cast the first stone and ban me – I had no more desire staying on there and feel no need to associate myself with that site anymore.

    Now the sad thing is – this kind of profiteering has become fashionable now over the past few years – when you mistake being a ‘good entrepreneur’ with being a ‘con artist’ and a ‘profiteer’ and, worst of all, you don’t even care about any of the amoral connotations that brings along with it – then obviously you’re going to have friction between developers who are doing this mainly out of a passion and then these kinds of cynical businessmen following in the grand footsteps of PT Barnum and his ilk.
    From: Homewbrew Cafe - Clarification on psx-scene

    For background material as to what's been going on, this is relevant: PSX-Scene Sold Out
    Last edited by LiquidManZero; 07-23-2011, 01:37:50 PM. Reason: Added a link

  • #2
    Wow. Good to know.

    That's quite unfortunate.
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    • #3
      So they are assuming ownership and 100% liability of the software posted on their website?

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      • #4
        TehSkeen all over again
        http://bh-re-db.pcriot.com/ <- Biohazard / Resident Evil
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        • #5
          I'm now glad I never posted anything over there, since I was debating it. I'll never post there again. That always seems to be the pattern when some company takes over something run by users.
          After the acquisition by QJ.Net, they quietly injected into the already existing Terms of Services a new law that expressly authorizes PSX-scene to effectively assume ownership of any and all material you make available to the public on their community site.
          They haven't made a mention of that anywhere on the forums, have they? Or have people done so and the threads got erased and the user banned? It's not good knowing that stuff people have worked on, then left on those forums, and then left the site now have whatever they left there owned by psx-scene.

          I'll just stick with ps3hax.net and homebrew cafe from now on.
          Last edited by bungholio; 07-22-2011, 10:48:30 AM.
          July 7, 2019

          https://www.4shared.com/s/fLf6qQ66Zee
          https://www.sendspace.com/file/jvsdbd

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gtlcpimp
            So they are assuming ownership and 100% liability of the software posted on their website?
            That's an interesting consideration. I think if they're taking the stand that they take ownership of anything posted on PSX-Scene, they must also take blame for everything posted. That's not to say that this makes logical or ethical sense, but to say that the entire premise falls apart under any such scrutiny.
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            • #7
              A moderator disagreed with this, so he took his posts down and anyone who asked him to take their posts down, and he was banned when they found out.

              As a response to that, I took down all emulator threads on their forum that I have personally worked on ( seeing as the previous owner on there granted me Moderator status with no strings attached). Also, I complied with the wishes of many former members who wanted all their content to be removed because they have similar misgrievances about this new ‘clause’ they added to their terms and they don’t like this site profiteering or benefiting in any way from it. Now, obviously, that resulted in my ban – it couldn’t have gone any other way – you know once you throw down the gauntlet like this, what the consequences of that are going to be. I personally requested for them to cast the first stone and ban me – I had no more desire staying on there and feel no need to associate myself with that site anymore.
              Last edited by dlevere; 07-22-2011, 12:45:23 PM.
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              • #8
                This is a very bad thing for the ps2 and ps3 scene. I sure hope xiaNaix got a lot of money off this deal.

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                • #9
                  Why on Earth is it that when some company buys some peer ran place, they immediately do this crap where they try to claim ownership of everything there that is from other people for free? Then there are always the people that had stuff there but left the place, and then the douche-bags get it because those people have since left the place and don't even know this happened. They silence people, modify site rules, and never mention it, yet use it against the people there. If only there were a nice little law that could throw people in jail for pulling this crap, but then again they always win in court because it's all a battle of who has the most money so the little man is crushed, sort of like Geohot's and Graf Chocolo's court cases. I would wish upon those people developing a permanent case of epidermolysis bullosa out of the blue.
                  July 7, 2019

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                  https://www.sendspace.com/file/jvsdbd

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                  • #10
                    Certainly sucks. I think if you put your data there before they acquired the site, you would win in court. They'd probably remove it from their site if you requested that, as they'd lose the court battle anyway. Usually, if you give them a hard time, they don't want to bother. The ignorant people who don't put up a fight are their real targets: the easy prey.

                    Though, sometimes they really do try to screw each and every person, and are willing to risk losing in court to do so, heh.
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                    • #11
                      There's some background to this incident here: PSX-scene Sold Out

                      Similar things apparently went down when QJ.net was bought out some time ago. The current owner is a major prick, hence the issues with PSX-Scene.

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                      • #12
                        Just screw 'em. Write a huge malicious script that is deemed illegal in every country, post it on their forums only. They automatically assume ownership and 100% liability for it, therefore they get the holy crap sued out of them for the script and shut down for being dicks about this.

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                        • #13
                          According to this link, they no longer assume ownership of everything.
                          http://ps3.dashhacks.com/2011/07/19/...you-ought-know

                          http://psx-scene.com/forums/content/...-changes-1253/
                          I saw the news report but never clicked on it. I haven't read anything, but they say they've fixed it.

                          I'm still going to avoid it though. I haven't taken any time to look into things, but I have read on PS3hax that they did treat some people badly about this stuff. Assuming it wasn't crap or valid, they could have changed by just cracking under pressure. I'm too lazy to look into it even though there was at least 1 YouTube video posted. I'm a lazy book cover judger.
                          Last edited by bungholio; 07-23-2011, 05:46:44 PM.
                          July 7, 2019

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                          https://www.sendspace.com/file/jvsdbd

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                          • #14
                            I've seen this forum thread and front-page announcement linked to in several places since LMZ posted it, including here: http://boycottpsxscene.blogspot.com/...her-sites.html
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                            • #15
                              So where's the best place to follow the following projects now? developer sites, blogs, google source, bitbucket etc?

                              uLE
                              OPL
                              snes emulators - irc ragnarok2040 was working on a port.
                              PS2 Vice
                              ps2psxe
                              ESR
                              FMCB
                              Simple Media System
                              PS2rd
                              SMS
                              PS2ESDL
                              GSM

                              yoshi314, garyopa, doctorxyz. TnA, ifacro, sp193, jimmikaelkael, izdubar, volca, crazyc, ffgriver, dlanor, ragnarok2040‎, Berion, EP, Polo35, Cosmito, Bootlegninja, jnabk etc

                              I had a few words with leonardoliveira and he's still supporting psx-scene.com for whatever reason.
                              Last edited by kh2k4; 08-03-2011, 06:18:58 PM.
                              http://bh-re-db.pcriot.com/ <- Biohazard / Resident Evil
                              Code Database

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